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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://1world2wheels.org/blog/cyclist-calculates-mpg-on-a-bike/comment-page-1/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another calculation sort of in the same ballpark (factors of two)

http://www.6footsix.com/my_weblog/2008/06/extreme-mileage.html

now if she could only find a bike that would fit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another calculation sort of in the same ballpark (factors of two)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.6footsix.com/my_weblog/2008/06/extreme-mileage.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.6footsix.com/my_weblog/2008/06/extreme-mileage.html</a></p>
<p>now if she could only find a bike that would fit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Goddard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Goddard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys—thanks for all the great responses!  In case anyone is wondering, the point of this ride wasn’t to show that riding a bike is better for the environment than driving a car (it probably depends what you eat, and what you fuel the car with), or that it is less expensive.  Rather, I had just wondered if my bike was using energy so effectively as I thought—road bikes really glide along the pavement, you barely need to pedal them, they don’t seem to use any food or gas (though of course they do) and they are stay ice cold even after you ride them really hard (suspension systems and brake systems excluded--everything else probably warms up hundredths or tenths of degrees).

Contrast an ice cold bike to a car.  Each car controls literally thousands of explosions under the hood every minute and burn hundreds of Calories when you floor it (maybe 750 Calories in an average car if you floor it for a quarter mile).  The brakes get wildly hot, and the dampers get so hot you can’t touch them.  Cars can stay hot for an hour or two after you drive them.

I just wanted to know how the energy usage of a rumbling car compared to the my lovely gliding road bike.  Don’t get me wrong, I love cars, but the more I ride, the more I see the merits of riding, both for me, and for citizens of our country.

@ Sue:  Yup!  (although we’re talking kilocalories, or “Calories” with a capital “C” here—they’re the same Calories that you are used to eating—100 Calories in a slice of bread, for example.

And you’re right the production costs of food can vary—you could eat lettuce air-freighted from across the world, or toss a few seeds in your back yard and eventually pick the apples that spring up—for free.  I don’t really have a good idea how much the costs for supermarket food is. I suspect the production costs of certain foods vary dramatically from season to season.


@ Gary--  Thanks!  You’re absolutely right- people do indeed have a “maintenance energy expenditure”—it is called the “Basal Metabolic Rate” and it is the energy you use, basically, to stay alive.  You can think of it as the number of Calories you’d burn per hour if you were sitting still in the dark.

The heart rate monitor I used (a Polar F11) was measuring energy expenditure above my BMR; unless my heart rate rose above my “resting heart rate,” my HRM recorded my instantaneous energy expenditure at 0 Calories / hour.

So you’d think that the eventual result of the experiment, “633 mpg,” would be a good number to compare to a car’s “miles per gallon.”  However, I’ve read on various forums that Polar’s heart rate monitors overestimate Caloric consumption by as much as 50%, which would mean that my actual efficiency may have been as much as 945 mpg.

At steady state, a car&#039;s main enemy is drag, not weight; so additional passengers are relatively &quot;inexpensive.&quot; If a suburban is getting 12 mpg and you fill it with 6 more people, it is still going to get nearly 12 miles per gallon (say 11 for the sake of argument). That means it gets 12 &quot;passenger miles per gallon&quot; one-up, but 77 &quot;passenger miles per gallon seven-up—just something to think about. One person driving a 40 mpg Prius isn&#039;t that efficient (although four-up a prius gets 160 &quot;passenger miles per gallon&quot;). A Greyhound bus gets 4 mpg, but if you stuff 40 people in it, you&#039;re getting 160 &quot;passenger miles per gallon&quot;. Assume a little kid in a child-seat does little to affect the efficiency of a cyclist and that bicycle will be knocking on the door of 1300 &quot;passenger miles per gallon&quot;



@ Gabriel—wow, that’s a long commute- I bet you’re in great shape!

@ Mountain Bike Insurance –wow your name is Mountain Bike Insurance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys—thanks for all the great responses!  In case anyone is wondering, the point of this ride wasn’t to show that riding a bike is better for the environment than driving a car (it probably depends what you eat, and what you fuel the car with), or that it is less expensive.  Rather, I had just wondered if my bike was using energy so effectively as I thought—road bikes really glide along the pavement, you barely need to pedal them, they don’t seem to use any food or gas (though of course they do) and they are stay ice cold even after you ride them really hard (suspension systems and brake systems excluded&#8211;everything else probably warms up hundredths or tenths of degrees).</p>
<p>Contrast an ice cold bike to a car.  Each car controls literally thousands of explosions under the hood every minute and burn hundreds of Calories when you floor it (maybe 750 Calories in an average car if you floor it for a quarter mile).  The brakes get wildly hot, and the dampers get so hot you can’t touch them.  Cars can stay hot for an hour or two after you drive them.</p>
<p>I just wanted to know how the energy usage of a rumbling car compared to the my lovely gliding road bike.  Don’t get me wrong, I love cars, but the more I ride, the more I see the merits of riding, both for me, and for citizens of our country.</p>
<p>@ Sue:  Yup!  (although we’re talking kilocalories, or “Calories” with a capital “C” here—they’re the same Calories that you are used to eating—100 Calories in a slice of bread, for example.</p>
<p>And you’re right the production costs of food can vary—you could eat lettuce air-freighted from across the world, or toss a few seeds in your back yard and eventually pick the apples that spring up—for free.  I don’t really have a good idea how much the costs for supermarket food is. I suspect the production costs of certain foods vary dramatically from season to season.</p>
<p>@ Gary&#8211;  Thanks!  You’re absolutely right- people do indeed have a “maintenance energy expenditure”—it is called the “Basal Metabolic Rate” and it is the energy you use, basically, to stay alive.  You can think of it as the number of Calories you’d burn per hour if you were sitting still in the dark.</p>
<p>The heart rate monitor I used (a Polar F11) was measuring energy expenditure above my BMR; unless my heart rate rose above my “resting heart rate,” my HRM recorded my instantaneous energy expenditure at 0 Calories / hour.</p>
<p>So you’d think that the eventual result of the experiment, “633 mpg,” would be a good number to compare to a car’s “miles per gallon.”  However, I’ve read on various forums that Polar’s heart rate monitors overestimate Caloric consumption by as much as 50%, which would mean that my actual efficiency may have been as much as 945 mpg.</p>
<p>At steady state, a car&#8217;s main enemy is drag, not weight; so additional passengers are relatively &#8220;inexpensive.&#8221; If a suburban is getting 12 mpg and you fill it with 6 more people, it is still going to get nearly 12 miles per gallon (say 11 for the sake of argument). That means it gets 12 &#8220;passenger miles per gallon&#8221; one-up, but 77 &#8220;passenger miles per gallon seven-up—just something to think about. One person driving a 40 mpg Prius isn&#8217;t that efficient (although four-up a prius gets 160 &#8220;passenger miles per gallon&#8221;). A Greyhound bus gets 4 mpg, but if you stuff 40 people in it, you&#8217;re getting 160 &#8220;passenger miles per gallon&#8221;. Assume a little kid in a child-seat does little to affect the efficiency of a cyclist and that bicycle will be knocking on the door of 1300 &#8220;passenger miles per gallon&#8221;</p>
<p>@ Gabriel—wow, that’s a long commute- I bet you’re in great shape!</p>
<p>@ Mountain Bike Insurance –wow your name is Mountain Bike Insurance?</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randy,
Don&#039;t give the kid a hard time. How much time do you spend in your car making 300 mile drives? Thats what I thought. The majority of Americans commute less than 40 miles a day. I live in California where the price of gas is close to $4/gallon. I estimate that I save $24/week on fuel. I am healthier and I feel great when I get to work.
Casey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy,<br />
Don&#8217;t give the kid a hard time. How much time do you spend in your car making 300 mile drives? Thats what I thought. The majority of Americans commute less than 40 miles a day. I live in California where the price of gas is close to $4/gallon. I estimate that I save $24/week on fuel. I am healthier and I feel great when I get to work.<br />
Casey</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick;
This is a wonderful article and it sounds as if you&#039;ve really discovered the measurable and non-measurable benefits of traveling by bike.  Interestingly I had read some time ago that a bicycle is measured as having the equivalent to 1500mpg in the lab (though I can&#039;t find the study right now).
Many valid points have been made here including the choice of fuels and the power/weight ratio of a bike.
I would also like to respond to Chris.  As a teenager I was sometimes in the position of having an empty wallet.  One day I was coming home from a bike ride and I had eaten all my food.  However despite having an &#039;empty gas tank&#039; I was still able to pedal my bike home and eat a huge meal.  I don&#039;t think that any automobile (no matter what fuel source) would be able to get you home on an empty tank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick;<br />
This is a wonderful article and it sounds as if you&#8217;ve really discovered the measurable and non-measurable benefits of traveling by bike.  Interestingly I had read some time ago that a bicycle is measured as having the equivalent to 1500mpg in the lab (though I can&#8217;t find the study right now).<br />
Many valid points have been made here including the choice of fuels and the power/weight ratio of a bike.<br />
I would also like to respond to Chris.  As a teenager I was sometimes in the position of having an empty wallet.  One day I was coming home from a bike ride and I had eaten all my food.  However despite having an &#8216;empty gas tank&#8217; I was still able to pedal my bike home and eat a huge meal.  I don&#8217;t think that any automobile (no matter what fuel source) would be able to get you home on an empty tank.</p>
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		<title>By: Mountain Bike Insurance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mountain Bike Insurance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 01:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mountain Bike Insurance...&lt;/strong&gt;

I couldn&#039;t understand some parts of this article, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mountain Bike Insurance&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t understand some parts of this article, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: nickjohnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickjohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not surprised!

According to world watch (http://www.worldwatch.org/node/4057), driving a car takes 1,860 [kilo]calories per passenger-mile; walking takes 100 [kilo]calories per passenger-mile; cycling a mile takes 35 [kilo]calories per passenger-mile (energy in, change in position of a mass out). If we ignore everything except the effect--moving one passenger one mile--we can estimate the relative efficiencies: a car is less than 1/50 as efficient, and walking is about 1/3 as efficient as riding a bike.

Thanks for the article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not surprised!</p>
<p>According to world watch (<a href="http://www.worldwatch.org/node/4057" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldwatch.org/node/4057</a>), driving a car takes 1,860 [kilo]calories per passenger-mile; walking takes 100 [kilo]calories per passenger-mile; cycling a mile takes 35 [kilo]calories per passenger-mile (energy in, change in position of a mass out). If we ignore everything except the effect&#8211;moving one passenger one mile&#8211;we can estimate the relative efficiencies: a car is less than 1/50 as efficient, and walking is about 1/3 as efficient as riding a bike.</p>
<p>Thanks for the article!</p>
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		<title>By: Weighty Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weighty Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the engine in most cars alone weights more than a bike and its rider.  I wonder what MPG a biker would get if he/she were peddling a ton and a half car...Or if we put an internal combustion engine on a bike...Oh wait...They&#039;ve done that...

Because a calorie is a calorie, and a pound is a pound, we should be comparing loads of equal weights as well.  Then we can see if the human is more efficient than the Honda.  

Also, someone mentioned the production and delivery costs of the food.  What about production and delivery of gasoline?  I&#039;m pretty sure we can consider them equal for sake of argument.  

Also, with added respiration and metabolism, the human body increases its output of CO2.  So we should compare how much CO2 the body produces at rest, and in motion (relative to the weight of an average automobile).  And we could find out if cycling is better or worse for greenhouse gases.  Wouldn&#039;t that be ironic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the engine in most cars alone weights more than a bike and its rider.  I wonder what MPG a biker would get if he/she were peddling a ton and a half car&#8230;Or if we put an internal combustion engine on a bike&#8230;Oh wait&#8230;They&#8217;ve done that&#8230;</p>
<p>Because a calorie is a calorie, and a pound is a pound, we should be comparing loads of equal weights as well.  Then we can see if the human is more efficient than the Honda.  </p>
<p>Also, someone mentioned the production and delivery costs of the food.  What about production and delivery of gasoline?  I&#8217;m pretty sure we can consider them equal for sake of argument.  </p>
<p>Also, with added respiration and metabolism, the human body increases its output of CO2.  So we should compare how much CO2 the body produces at rest, and in motion (relative to the weight of an average automobile).  And we could find out if cycling is better or worse for greenhouse gases.  Wouldn&#8217;t that be ironic?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 01:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those that may think driving that same distance in a car is cheaper than riding a bike, think about this. Your body needs food whether or not your riding. You will still make pit stops and eat food along with purchasing gas. So you should probably halve his food bill and then tack it on to your vehicles gas bill. Then you&#039;ll know that the cycling was probably cheaper. Unless your fasting for whatever holiday it is. To cheaper and healthier cycling!  Ride On!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those that may think driving that same distance in a car is cheaper than riding a bike, think about this. Your body needs food whether or not your riding. You will still make pit stops and eat food along with purchasing gas. So you should probably halve his food bill and then tack it on to your vehicles gas bill. Then you&#8217;ll know that the cycling was probably cheaper. Unless your fasting for whatever holiday it is. To cheaper and healthier cycling!  Ride On!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool article, I&#039;ve always wondered the MPG for a cyclist were. thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool article, I&#8217;ve always wondered the MPG for a cyclist were. thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome article!
Other things to consider. Over time (weeks and months) or riding regularly, your body becomes more efficient at converting caloies to distance, i.e. your mileage actually improves!

Sue, regarding your comment about where the calories came from, production costs, etc. it&#039;s a valid point. I would reply by pointing out that in a car you have no choice, they have to come from crude oil and exit your tailpipe as co2, nitrous oxides, etc. whereas on the bike you have a broad range of foods and food sources to choose from.

Nick, I hope you keep up the riding. I discovered the joys of human propulsion many years ago and ride to/from work over 55 miles a day. There&#039;s a whole bunch of resources online, just google &quot;car free&quot; or check out www.bikeforums.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome article!<br />
Other things to consider. Over time (weeks and months) or riding regularly, your body becomes more efficient at converting caloies to distance, i.e. your mileage actually improves!</p>
<p>Sue, regarding your comment about where the calories came from, production costs, etc. it&#8217;s a valid point. I would reply by pointing out that in a car you have no choice, they have to come from crude oil and exit your tailpipe as co2, nitrous oxides, etc. whereas on the bike you have a broad range of foods and food sources to choose from.</p>
<p>Nick, I hope you keep up the riding. I discovered the joys of human propulsion many years ago and ride to/from work over 55 miles a day. There&#8217;s a whole bunch of resources online, just google &#8220;car free&#8221; or check out <a href="http://www.bikeforums.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.bikeforums.net</a></p>
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